The
Anarchist Federation of Finland
Suomen
Anarkistifederaatio SA
Anarkistfederationen
i Finland AFIF
http://www.anarchy.no/sa.html
- PRESS RELEASE -
TODAYS QIUZ:
WHY DID THE JEWS REJECT THE FORMER FINNISH PRESIDENT AS THE JENIN INVESTIGATION LEADER?
PROBABLY BECAUSE THE OFFICIAL FINNISH PRESIDENT FLAG HAS HITLER'S IRON CROSS PLUS SWASTIKA IN THE LEFT UPPER CORNER!
CLICK ON THE FOLLOWING LINK TO
SEE THE PROOF:
http://www.anarchy.no/boycott.html
IT WAS NOT
VERY DIPLOMATIC BY KOFI ANNAN TO PUT THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF
FINLAND UP FRONT OF THE UN JENIN INVESTIGATION - THE FINNISH
FOREIGN MINISTRY OF COURSE HAS OMMITTED THE OFFICIAL
PRESIDENTFLAG AT THEIR WEB PAGE. IT IS A GREAT SHAME FOR FINLAND
TO HAVE SUCH A PRESIDENT FLAG. WE - THE FINNISH ANARCHISTS HAVE A
BOYCOTT AGAINST IT!
Regards...
Pekka A.
for SA/AFIF
- DEBATE AFTER PRESS RELEASE -
1. Not the jews. - Israelis. Please be
careful with your words. - David - eurodusnie, Holland.
2. Naming them "the Jews"
isn't a good thing to do. they are "Israel" and
"Israelis" - but you cannot subject a whole people and
religion to be under
the actions of Israel. Adam Shapiro is a Jew, but he has fought
for
Palestinian rights. Is he included in "the Jews"? I
think people should
change their wording and their sentiments and myths, then maybe
other things
will follow. - RebelGrasshopper
3. The Jews did not reject the former
Finnish president ... Ariel Sharon and the Israeli government did
.... it is important not to equate the State of Israel with the
Jewish people at large, because they are not the same thing
despite the attempt by people like Sharon to equate them in
people's mind ... - tintin
4. Of course this is weird. But Hitler stole the swastika and other symbols from the old europeans. I agree it can no longer be used innocently. But it obviously means something different on the Finnish president flag? In Belgium the extreme right took over 1 May as a day to celebrate. Does this mean that anarchists and socialists must allow them to take over Labourday? My return question to you is: Why is your organisation called 'SA', similar to the 'stormtroepen' of Hitler? - mj - Belgium
5. Reply to 1, 2, 3 & 4.
Do you really think Jews outside Israel
accept the swastika and iron cross in this connection any more
than the Jews in Israel?
Besides, ca 1 000 000 Palestinians are living in Israel. They
have several delegates in the Israeli parliament, although not (yet)
a majority. Do you think they are equally opposed to the swastika
in this connection? No, probably not quite as much. - Thus "Jew"
is probably the right term in this connection, - not "Israeli".
Jews, at least some, has a living religion, but also, and more
important, a culture, among other things based on dialog and
free, matter of fact cricism. Many jews are atheists and some
anarchists. The PLO-authority is brown & red corrupt,
terroristical and ochlarchical , and have really very little to
do with the Palestinian people except being their horrible rulers.
No peace against ochlarchist terror-rulers: Arrest them one way
or another - all of them, Arafat included. I think you should
perhaps be careful with the words, more than AFIF in this
connection. See http://www.anarchy.no/ija431.html for AFIF/SA's and AI/IFA's main stream
policy in this matter.
AFIF/SA is for the Palestinian people, not their pest and plague of an insane Hitlerian Arafat-regime, paying parents to blow up their kids with bombs togheter with innocent civilian Jews. "No terrorism - Israeli withdrawel - Palestine state"
Dear mj.
The swastika was used in the populist/völkischer German movement
long before Hitler started his nazi-movement. The völkischer-movement was
an "arian" fascist light movement with links to
Finland a.o.t. Hitler just adopted it, an turned this already reactionary
symbol to his own, and interpreted it even more authoritarian.
The Finnish Air Force used it related to the second world war,
collaborating with the German nazis. Mannerheim, at first a
collaborationist with the Germans declaring in 1942 "A holy
war against our national enemy... as brothers in arms with
Germany's giant warpower do a crusade against our enemy...",
joined the allies in the second world war 1944, changed it out
with two sabres. But as soon has he withdrew from politics in
1946, the old gang of rulers in my country once more
introduced the nazi-emblem. Many of them are germanoid,
authoritarian and think Hitler was a nice guy. Several of them
also today. In
Finland we often use the first letters when we shall shorten
words, i.e. abbreviation. Thus in "SA" the "A" stands for
Anarchistfederation in
Finnish,
not "abteilungen". Don't tease us. If you search for "SA" on
Internet you will find out that it is the abbreviation for South
Africa, South Australia, in Poland it means the same as "ltd"
in English, etc. Thus, "SA" is quite commonly used for
different things. Perhaps it may give some bad
memories in, or close to, Germany. By us it is just an ordinary
abbreviation, and should not be interpreted in a derogative way. -
Of course the fascists shall never take over May Day.
Libertarian greetings! Pekka
Thanks for the historical context. I was just curious. The tease was intended although perhaps inappropriate to someone I don't know... In Belgium and Holland these days people seem to have lost their sense of humour totally. So I guess I needed it. I understand that SA is an abbreviation (quite necessary in Finland since you have such incredible long words!). I just think that here we would never use SA as a short word for an anarchist organisation. Finland has a strange history that I can't really comprehend. I've had a girlfriend in Helsinki who's a Swedish-speaker. The language struggle and the history of former oppressors who are now a minority, and the long history of occupation by very different other nations - is in many senses quite similar to that of Belgium. But I think that our knowledge of other states within this so-called unified europe is very restricted. So thank you for the brief history-lesson. (And for the fast reply.) ... Greetings mj .
P.S. We have also got a humoristic
picture from someone called "AIRPLANE" (a bit similar
to the 11.09.2001 terrorist attack, but with an ironical touch -
however later the link to the picture http://www.vitafactory.com/ad-monday2/joke051302.gif
became dead). We let this be the last word so far in this debate.
S.y. Pekka
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